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I still think you're digressing a little in terms of my original point Paul. And I certainly wasn't having a dig at the club, quite the contrary, I was merely pointing out the difficulties we face in trying to get where we want and one of the big ones is keeping players happy and creating a unity between them.
However, I think what you've written is very good in it's own right and would make a good article in itself.
Maybe you would consider writing a few pieces for us on here?
Reading between the lines, perhaps, rather than sly digs. Players who have moved on have all had a go at the club, and the papers are glad of it - the best way to answer is to take points off them. Cole did it, then James did it, Dunne, Ireland, on and on..
The reason I think 'it should also be said' is nothing to do with bitterness, or dislike of the players. I happen to think that a lot of the players who have gone are very talented - but not able to compete at the very highest level.
In the case of Bellamy it is a tragedy that he chose the course he did after Hughes' dismissal. Bellers did lots of very good things for City and was key in their making progress after the January '09 window.
With Ireland, I voted for him as player of the season two years ago, but in the last eighteen months he has been given his chances and has been awful. The idea that managers have got something against him is rubbish. He lost his form and both Hughes and Mancini dropped him.
However, it still should 'also be said' that even good players, when effectively forced out of a club by the arrival of even better players in such a rollercoaster situation as City find themselves in, will inevitably look to external factors for their own inability to compete with the new arrivals.
That is what they have done. So far, none has simply come out and said: 'I could no longer make it into the team, so I have gone to pastures new'. They have all blamed the manager or the culture at the club.
It is true that the culture at City is changing big-time. If you want to turn a 35-year losing streak into a winning streak then I am afraid that it has to. If we don't like it, then we should say so honestly and ask for the days of Alan Ball, Joe Royle and Frank Clark back. Let's be another Sheffield Wednesday, Nottingham Forest or, if we are lucky Everton. But at least let's be honest: Either embrace the upheaval or, like Colin Schindler has, reject it, which is an honourable position to take. Those are the only two options on the table at the moment.
Unfortunately many City fans want the best of both worlds. We want to be in with big boys. We want to stand as equals with United. But we also want to make sly digs at the club when Stephen Ireland or Martin Petrov come out with anti-City comments.