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Roberto! This is the Premier League, not Serie A!
Master tactician Mancini got it all wrong yet again yesterday, just as he did against Spurs at the end of last season. The man doesn't seem to learn. He still thinks he is managing in Serie A.
His obsession with defensive midfielders is going to be our undoing if he doesn't wake up fast. Playing three of them and leaving little Tevez alone up front was just plain stupid. We posed no attacking threat whatsoever and therefore invited Spurs to come at us from the off. And they did. They battered us. If it wasn't for Hart it would have been embarrassing.
I would have been happy with a draw at Spurs two or three years ago, but, after spending the money we have, we should now be looking to win games like this.
Roberto, you aren't managing Stoke or Wolves. You've had the resources available, we should now be competing with the best and taking games to them. Trust me, Chelsea and United will not go to White hart Lane this season looking to contain and get a draw.
The reality is that we will never get into the top four or challenge for the title until we start to pose a threat to the opposition in games like this.
I thought we were utterly dreadful in the first half and not much better in the second. Hart was magnificent in the first half and without him we would have been dead and buried. Our central defence tightened up and played well in the second half, but what was totally unacceptable throughout the game was that their goalkeeper could have cleaned his boots and done a crossword.
I know it's early doors, but I see the same old problems and I fear that a lot of people are going to be let down.
We are a million miles off the title and won't even get top four unless we make some radical changes in our philosophy.
SPIKE
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This is the first game of the season some of our players have only had 35mins pre season.
This si the first time they have played as a team and there were 7 changes in the team to the one that played Spurs in May.
Give them a chance we were playing a team who are in the CL, who had only 1 change from the same fixture, were at home and who had most of their players rested for the midweek internationals.....some people!!!!
this City team will not play the sort of football I want to see under the current manager. It will be boring and unsuccessful.
Also by persisting with Richards surely this must bring the manager's judgement into question!
Spurs should win at least 2-0. N they will curse themselves for the woeful finishin
To many halfwits are watching football these days
Yesterday in the second half spurs started to look vulnerable and instead of taking the awful SWP off for Johnson and bringing Ade on he waited and waited and in the end it was too late.
Plus the first half performance apart from Hart was dreadful. He was lucky yesterday hopefully Kidd will make him see sense and finally wake him up to the premier league!
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As for "without [Hart] we would have been dead and buried"... he's the goalkeeper. It's what he's in the team for. Just as ridiculous as saying "without Bale, Spurs wouldn't have been as much of a threat".
Quite clearly, if the objective is to stop the other side fron scoring, it was more to do with luck than judgement yesterday.
You blues are gonna hate hearing this (especially from a spurs fan) but, who do you think you are?
You're not Chelsea. You're practically a whole new club that has to learn to play as a team. Its not time for man city to be winning evey game. Its time for man city to start a fresh with new ambitions. If you have a healthy out look on your club you'll see you did well to come to the lane and take a point.
The spurs team has been through HELL trying to become a realistic top4 club on a tight budget.
A lot of ManCity fans already know this, but some of you are expecting miracles!
Hart did a great job, but was badly let down by his defence. That is the reality of yesterday's game. |You were under attack from all areas of the field, and not just from Bale on the left.
Yesterday City had three debutantes to the Premier league, no pre-season training for the full squad, and had lost eleven of the last twelve against Spurs, including I think the last six at WHL.
Yes Joe Hart had a blinder, but isn't that what he is there for, to stop the ball going into the net. Spurs threw everything at us and were in my view very impressive, but we kept them out, and in the second half had most of the play and the best chances.
I'll taking boring anyday over 'exciting second division yoyo outfit' - yesteryears' West Brom - like we were under any number of managers. Chelsea under Mourinho, Arsenal under Graham and the early Wenger, even Leeds under Revie - all great teams start by sorting their defence out, then moving on to possess the flair that Chelsea managed towards the end of last season. That will take years.
Luckily, the club will ignore whinging bloggers, crap ex-City players who could not excite even in the Second Division, and jealous newspaper journos and get on with the task of building the team.
Also, can I point out that we only had three new players on show yesterday so the 'gelling' argument doesn't really stick.
I'll crawl back into my hole now. :)
And to be called boring, boring City, what a compliment that would be if it went along with the same achievements as boring, boring Arsenal. Exciting Arsenal haven't won a trophy for five years despite wallowing in £300m Champions League money.
Re Mancini being there since December: Yes, with snakes in the grass like Bellamy trying to undermine him at every opportunity, every pundit predicting his demise in the summer and City fans mooning backwards for the glory days under can't-win-a-game Hughes.
This guy will win us everything given the time, unless we are so stupid and get rid of him in City's usual way. And you know what, loads of Blues will still be crying for the exciting days under er, Joe Royle, Brian Horton, Pearcey, Sven...and of course Keegan's heroes who took the Second Division by storm and then got shown up as mediocre in the Premiership before he walked out on us.
Day one of the Premiership and this sort of whining...no wonder they all laugh at us when we say we are a big club. Lots of fans have got the mentality of forty-year losers - luckily the club itself hasn't.
In the meantime, Richards is a poor footballer but good athlete, Wright-Phillips is not up to it. They don't have a reaaly top centre half. Playing 3 holding central midfielders against a team who play none is absurd. The only forward on view drops into midfield.
I imagine he Mancini thinks he got it right and will say 'we weathered the storm and could have sneaked it at the end'. A fair reflection of the game however would be a 2 or 3 goal win for Tottenham.
H did not include Johnson (Wright-Phillips!) or Adebayor who for Arsenal could not stop scoring against Tottenham. When he came on Ledley actually had to get into second gear. Ireland and Bellamy would have given them a lift. Where were they?
There is real hope for the rest of the league, that Mancini is not up to it. His recruitment policy is odd at best; he is leaving out proper premiership players for untried ones. His tactics are poor. There seems to be some unrest amongst the players. Long may this continue. At a time when no team can afford to buy players apart from City it is wonderful to hope that, against all the odds, they might just blow it again.
And I'll tell you what, your comments about both City and Spurs are spot on.
People aren't recognising yet just how far forward you've have come under 'Arry.
I for one wish you the best of luck this season in the Champions League.
however, Utd and Chelsea winning at Spurs, hang on...
Chelsea have lost their last 2 at WHL, Utd have drawn and won their last 2.
Arsenal and Liverpool also lost at WHL last season.
Be happy with your point! Yes you were battered 1st half and need to improve but its a good result for you overall.
Cant see you winning title this time, probably will get top 4 tho.
I was surprised you kept Mancini
The bottom line is this, what you need is stability not changing managers, not getting in another load of players.
Your not at the level of Spurs and probably won't be for at least another year and that will only happen if you stop chopping and changing personnel.
MANCINI'S MANCITY A MATCH MADE IN HEAVEN
One thing i will say is that i felt that we were really lacking a target man up front to get the ball up to. I can see ade or jo playing in that role.
We must not forget that the team we played had only 1 change from last seasons home fixture at the end of last season (Corluka for Kaboul) so therefore they are an established team who can play very well together. We did very well to contain them as we did and i for one was pleased with a point. If spurs play like that all season they'll be right up there, but so will city!
Spurs didn't win the game because of some top class defending from kompany and toure and of course Joe hart! City actually defended well, held off the barrage of spurs play in the 1st half and came in evens at half time.
City had three mid fielders who kept possession very well in the second half, we had 60% of play in the second half with an 85% pass success rate. As for defensive mids, wasn't barry making runs into the box, didn't Yaya create several openings for the front three including swp great chance!
The fact is, Tevez and Silva are far from sharp, we have other to come into the frame as well, ade, mario, Aj even perhaps robinho. If city can maintain the strength at the back retain possession in the middle, it will help the front 3 create more. Thats how Barcelona play, thats how spain won the world cup...
Getting a draw at WHL is a top result at the start of the season, we held of spurs and then managed to control the game, if we were sharper up top, we could of stolen a result! Spurs are a good side, well organised and established as a side. I am chuffed with the result!
It took you one match to get on Mancini's back you muppet!
He has a number of new players to gel into a considerably changed squad, Appy Arry had more or less the same side he ended last season with and they beat us soundly to finish ahead of us.
Mancini set out to move fwd from that and through solid, sometime frenetic defence did just that. In the second half we progressed and next game we will get better. You might have preferred us losing 4:2 with all guns blazing but this is the PL not Brazilian Beach Soccer. The point gained at WHL may well be very important come next May.
WHL is a tough place to get any points - it certainly was for league winners Chelsea. To keep a clean sheet, away at Spurs, is a mean feat largely down to a fabulous display from Hart. The rest of the defence need to sort themselves out quick.