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« on: February 07, 2010, 04:29:21 PM »
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Eeeh by gum, there's trubble at'mill. City looked pretty clueless against Hull, and it could be deja-vu all over again when Owen Coyle's Bolton side come calling on Tuesday night - same kind of team, similar position in the league, equally prepared to put their bodies on the line. I suppose the challenge for Mancini now is picking a team that will at least fight and scrap against the relegation-threatened club, but will the Italian recognize the issues that are beginning to hamper City's push for the top 4? As far as I can see, these problems manifest themselves as follows -

1. Steven Ireland. The lad is not a right-winger. If Mancini is going to play him, he should be behind the striker(s). Otherwise, leave Stevie on the bench as an impact player and let him play himself into form.

2. Against most teams (like Hull and Bolton), Mancini cannot get away with 4-4-2. We just don't have 2 central midfielders capable of controlling a game in the Premier League, and for whatever reason, Ade and Tevez don't seem to hit it off. This is why the big, athletic presence of McDonald Mariga was such a big loss imho, but that's water under the bridge now - what Mancini must do is pack the midfield at least until the opposing team has been given a game. It's not an ideal situation, but with the players at Mancini's disposal, that's the reality.

3. For the Bolton tie in particular, young Boyata will need to step down. The likes of Elmander and especially Kevin Davies would probably give the lad  real problems, so hopefully Mancini will have some more experienced options available to him. Toure doesn't fill me with confidence when playing against the likes of Davies either.

4. Shay Given. The Irish goalkeeper has saved City's bacon on many occasions this season, but there are indications that something is not working between the defenders and the keeper. There is little that can be done about Given's style of keeping, so Mancini must instruct his defense to attack the ball fearlessly. The midfield must also play their part (see point #2) - in recent games, too many diagonal crosses have been allowed, again putting pressure on the City penalty area.

   With these points in mind, I'd go with the following line-up for Tuesday's fixture -


                                             Given                                              Bench: Taylor
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Zabalata                 Toure                    Onuoha              Bridge                    Lescott
                                                                                                             De Jong
              Vieira                                          Barry                                      Bellamy
                                                                                                             Petrov
    SWP                             Ireland                             A. Johnson                 Adebayor

                                            Tevez

Vieira and Barry hopefully have enough in the tank to control the game, at least until we can gain the advantage. Paddy V will be useful at set-pieces especially, and both he and Barry have a bit more to their game than the otherwise excellent De Jong, who could do with a rest anyway. SWP and AJ are both hard-working and diligent, giving way to a Bellamy/Petrov cameo if required. Tevez is the lone man up front with Ireland given an opportunity to shine in his favoured position - he needs to perform if selected. I don't know Lescott's status, so I've gone with Kolo and Ned in central defense. Zaba and Bridge make up the full-back positions, but I'd be equally happy with Richards and Garrido if available/necessary.

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« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2010, 04:46:52 PM »
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Barry have a bit more to their game than the otherwise excellent De Jong,

Wheher he's carrying an injury or not I've seen little to suggest in the past 2 months that Barry has much to his game at all, he has been consistently below par for me. I'd pick De Jong ahead of him for Tuesday. Also Toure and Onuoha as CBs look a bit weak in the air for me, I'd be tempted to stick with Boyata and play Ned at RB instead of the willing but hapless Zabaleta.
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« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2010, 05:21:09 PM »
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I would go with de Jong instead of Barry, let him rest. Ireland should have the freedom to roam between boxes, and if he is in the role of attackin then Vieira and de Jong should cover for him! Defense is tricky one, Davies is a hard to handle BUT have to say that if Boyata sticks to the basics he should stand a fair chance, Toures ability of being a leader is very questionable....MUST WIN!
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« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2010, 06:09:50 PM »
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                             Shay
                Nedum        Tourre        Boyata
SWP          NDJ          Ireland       Paddy          Bellers
                         Tevez
                                 Ade   

Two Wingbacks that when one goes forward the other stays back, ireland to do what he does best when he is given the freedom and play killer passes to the two in front of him or whichever wingback is getting forward, or either Paddy of Nige could cover the defence if both SWP and bellers go forward, but we have the quality to destroy the Boltons of this world, so why do we not attack them from the first minute?
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« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2010, 06:46:08 PM »
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You need extraordinary pace to play 3 at the back, that will not happen. No top teams would ever play that at the back.
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« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2010, 07:00:37 PM »
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SWP and Bellers would need a pair of bellers each for that! laughing7

We do have to attack from the first minute, the reverse of what we did at Hull.

I don't see why we need to rest deJong, if he's happy we should be and he's playing well, unless you are thinking of L'pool at home, then rest him in the cup against stoke. Barry carries an injury that does need healing time.

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« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2010, 12:16:10 PM »
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Looks like Lescott, Santa Cruz and maybe even Vinnie will be available

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Toure Kompany Lescott Bridge
de Jong Vieira
SWP Johnson
Adebayor Tevez

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« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2010, 12:43:25 PM »
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Barry have a bit more to their game than the otherwise excellent De Jong,

Wheher he's carrying an injury or not I've seen little to suggest in the past 2 months that Barry has much to his game at all, he has been consistently below par for me.

 

At last someone who can see what I see.  At times, imo, it's like having 10 players on the pitch.  If he isn't fit, get him fixed!!!

They'd better turn up and thump Bolton.  The last two performances have been woeful.  Had Pompey been even half decent they'd have nicked some points from us too.

The total lack of committment, fight and general malaise from the last two games has seriously naffed me off.  If they play like that against and Bolton and they "do" us I will be bloody furious! I'm still smarting from the 3-3 earlier in the season.

They need to get their collective fingers out and quick.  I want three points from Bolton and a decent win on Saturday to get our season back on track.  We went into a slump after United mugged us in the league and it looks like it's happening again. We can't let the Carling Cup defeat screw up the rest of the season.

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« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2010, 01:42:00 PM »
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                  Given

Zab    Toure   Lescott    Bridge

            Kompany

SWP        Ireland      Johnson

         Tevez    RSC
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« Reply #9 on: February 08, 2010, 02:23:40 PM »
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My "guess" for the line up tomorrow

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Zaba Toure Boyata Bridge
Johnson de Jong Vieira Petrov
Tevez Ade

Lescott may come in for 10-20 mins depends, same goes if Ade is his typical lazy dont want work mode then RSC will come in for him. I really hope that Barry gets rest cause his performance is way off from the level it can and should be it was obvious in late november that he is not well!
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« Reply #10 on: February 08, 2010, 02:31:35 PM »
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It certainly sounds like Vieira and Johnson will start from what manager says, I think he'll take the heat off Boyata for a while, otherwise I agree with DD
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« Reply #11 on: February 08, 2010, 02:42:10 PM »
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"Pete" a visitor on the newsblog makes an excellent point today

Bolton at home should be about how we play rather than worrying too much about the opposition.
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« Reply #12 on: February 08, 2010, 04:29:44 PM »
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                   given
ned    vinny          kolo           costa
                 paddy v
johnson         zaba              craigo
                    ireland
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« Reply #13 on: February 08, 2010, 04:36:53 PM »
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If Lescott is available and genuinely fit, I'd play him instead of Toure. Mancini is unlikely to drop the captain, though, but Ned and Lescott will battle, and are better in the air. I can't believe that Kompany is back so soon, mind - if he is, I'd go -

                        Onuoha         Kompany          Lescott         Bridge/Garrido
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« Reply #14 on: February 08, 2010, 05:13:19 PM »
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Latest news - Bellamy out due to knee injury, Bolton's Cahill out for the season (blood clot)
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« Reply #15 on: February 08, 2010, 05:21:49 PM »
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My choice. We need to play our best team...

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Zabaleta   Toure  Lescott  Bridge
SWP  De Jong  Vieira   Johnson
         Tevez   Adebayor
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« Reply #16 on: February 08, 2010, 05:53:09 PM »
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That's right, the back four should include Lescott and Toure, Mancini hasn't seen them together yet, and again they need time, but haven't got any. Notlob another must win
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« Reply #17 on: February 08, 2010, 07:30:06 PM »
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Lets just try and win a game shall we.
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« Reply #18 on: February 08, 2010, 07:47:12 PM »
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Oh listen to you all laid back coming from Spain  We've been suffering here like you wouldn't know
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« Reply #19 on: February 08, 2010, 07:58:06 PM »
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Lol,Well Clev, my first night was ruined because of that terrible result from the swamp.I had to get so drunk on Cruz Campo it was hell i tell you,hell!
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« Reply #20 on: February 09, 2010, 01:05:58 AM »
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Barry have a bit more to their game than the otherwise excellent De Jong,

Wheher he's carrying an injury or not I've seen little to suggest in the past 2 months that Barry has much to his game at all, he has been consistently below par for me. I'd pick De Jong ahead of him for Tuesday. Also Toure and Onuoha as CBs look a bit weak in the air for me, I'd be tempted to stick with Boyata and play Ned at RB instead of the willing but hapless Zabaleta.


On his day De Jong has his merits undoubtedly, but Barry is a hundred times the footballer that Nigel is and he's vital to us.

The only criticism I'd make about Barry is that he is a little one paced. But there again so was Bobby Moore.
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« Reply #21 on: February 09, 2010, 03:43:28 PM »
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The only criticism I'd make about Barry is that he is a little one paced. But there again so was Bobby Moore.

But Bobby Moore played in a different era when pace wasn't king.
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« Reply #22 on: February 09, 2010, 03:52:41 PM »
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The only criticism I'd make about Barry is that he is a little one paced. But there again so was Bobby Moore.

But Bobby Moore played in a different era when pace wasn't king.

There have been loads of great players in the modern era who weren't blessed with pace.







I'll even think of one in a minute.  laughing7
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« Reply #23 on: February 09, 2010, 03:59:49 PM »
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The only criticism I'd make about Barry is that he is a little one paced. But there again so was Bobby Moore.

But Bobby Moore played in a different era when pace wasn't king.

There have been loads of great players in the modern era who weren't blessed with pace.

I'll even think of one in a minute.  laughing7

Er... er...
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« Reply #24 on: February 09, 2010, 04:28:38 PM »
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The only criticism I'd make about Barry is that he is a little one paced. But there again so was Bobby Moore.

But Bobby Moore played in a different era when pace wasn't king.

There have been loads of great players in the modern era who weren't blessed with pace.

I'll even think of one in a minute.  laughing7

Er... er...

Paul McGrath could barely move but by the holy poker he was a great defender.
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